https://conference.apnic.net/40/program#sessions/amm ************ >>Maemura Akinori: It is 4:00 pm now, which is the time of starting the APNIC Member Meeting. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. We are starting the APNIC Member Meeting or AMM. This time we have a quite new format of the APNIC Conference, starting with the Opening Ceremony on Tuesday and we don't have Friday, then the sessions are condensed into three days. Then we had three sessions of the Policy SIG today and we have the one single session for AMM. This is one of the challenges, and we are challenged about our efficiency, so I will try my best and I would like still further cooperation. Welcome again. I hope you have enjoyed Jakarta and enjoyed the APNIC Conference as well. The APNIC Member Meeting is the members' business to observe what is going on with APNIC, and then it is, of course, open to the community who are not necessarily members of the APNIC. Two hours with a lot of content. We'll just start the first agenda from now on. The first agenda is APNIC activity report by Paul Wilson, our Director General. 1 >>Paul Wilson: Thanks very much, Akinori. Thanks to the EC and everyone. As Akinori said, we have limited time today, so I will try to be on time with this report. This is the activity report from the Secretariat. I'm going to go through what's been going on during this year so far, during 2015, across all of the Secretariat activities. We have a vision statement these days for a global, open, stable and secure Internet that serves the entire Asia Pacific community. We are reporting, as usual, according to these three major activity groups of serving the members, supporting the Internet development in the Asia Pacific Region and collaborating more broadly globally. As you might remember, we are now creating the activity plan and the budget for each year, according to those three major areas, with a fourth one being corporate support or overheads. What I'll be doing now is actually reporting to you against what we planned to do at the beginning of the year. Part of that plan was the budget. Without the actual financial figures being shown here, you see at least the relative allocation of financial resources to each of those four areas and within each of the areas to 2 some sub-activity categories as well. You can see that we spent by far the most resources on serving members, then regional development and global cooperation is quite a bit less, and the corporate overheads, the organizational overheads, are at the bottom. This report will show you where activities we planned for the year have been completed already and where they are in progress. Starting with serving the region, this is a series of charts that you are probably quite used to at the moment, that show the activity levels on the main registration activities. Our annual IPv6 delegations are coming along quite steadily. We have been allocating for many years now, as you know. I expect that most members who need v6 at the moment have definitely already got it. The dotted line shows just an estimate, based on the year to date, of where we may be at the end of the year. You can see around 600 allocations for this year is our expectation for the end of the year. We also show you here how many of those v6 delegations were allocations, how many were assignments, and the distribution of sizes, and also whether or not the one-click initial allocation for v6 has been used. 3 All of these charts are available on the website, if you want to take a closer look. Of course, if you have any questions after this report, please say so. I'll move along to v4 delegations. You can see a pretty dramatic increase in the number of delegations of IPv4. We made over 3,000 last year. According to current projections, probably 3,500 delegations this year, just over half of them from the original last /8 pool, but the other, let's say, around 40 per cent -- this is the doughnut chart on the left -- from the recovered pool from IANA. As you may have heard this morning, we are running through that pool quite quickly and it will be exhausted at current consumption rates by around February next year. We are also allocating individual delegations of between /24 and /22. Most of them are /22s, as you see in the middle. Something I think that's interesting is that we are making more than half of those delegations to members of NIRs; a fair proportion, maybe a third, to brand new APNIC members who presumably come along for the purpose of receiving that allocation, and just a small proportion to existing members of APNIC. Transfers is the other way that you might like to 4 receive IPv4 addresses these days. We are not doing a huge number of transfers, around 10 per month or so. That's keeping reasonably steady between last year and this year. The v4 transfers are either intra-RIR, in the blue area. You are seeing the transfers which have gone from an APNIC member to another APNIC member. The orange are those that have come from another RIR, and that of course is just ARIN at the moment. ASN assignments, they are really starting to grow fairly suddenly, this year. You see here that we have effectively switched over almost completely to the 4-byte 32-bit AS numbers. The doughnut chart at the bottom on the right shows that we actually only have to deal with very few rejections of those allocations of the 32-bit numbers. Our members apparently are quite happy and able to use those numbers, without needing to send them back to us, as they have done in the past. APNIC membership, I think contrary to rumours that we might have heard over recent years, it does continue to grow and it's growing more rapidly. That's clearly because of the number of members who are coming along to receive the final /8 allocations. Just last month, we exceeded 5,000 individual APNIC 5 members. With a rough projection towards the end of the year, it could be 5,400 or so by the end of the year. The growth is even more dramatic with the subaccounts or the members of NIRs, which grew pretty quickly in 2014 and this year as well. If you add those two charts together, right now or by the end of the year, we will be serving more than 10,000 members of APNIC or NIRs throughout the Asia Pacific Region. So that's a bit of a milestone which I hope we will be celebrating at the next meeting. I'm going to be going through a few of the main activities that were reported to you as part of the plan for this year. As I've said, some of those are underway still. We are still working on them. Those with a green tick have been completed. There are quite a few here, so I might not go into all the details of every one. We have been doing work on ARMS, that's the APNIC Registry Management System, which is our internal system. It's having to be rewritten now from perl into Java. We have had a lot of perl code at APNIC over the years, but it is getting hard to maintain that and recruit people who remember how to do any perl. So we are shifting into Java and also linking that into the re-architecture of APNIC's internal systems, along the 6 lines of the message bus architecture. Apache MQ is what we are basing that on. Moving on, RPKI uptake is being increased. We have doubled it during this year so far through the "Ready to ROA" campaign, which has been an achievement, but we still have a long way to go. We are also adding things like automatic checks of ROAs, which members will receive automatic notifications for and other things like that, which are going onto the services roadmap. The billing services have been improved in response to requests through the APNIC survey, so we are processing PayPal and other electronic payments at the moment and looking at the different payment methods and options that members have asked for. The website is being streamlined further. We have done some work section by section already on the meetings and training website sub-pages over the last year or so, and most recently on services and the IPv6 pages. We are looking at how to really revamp and improve the searching and navigation on the home page at the moment as well. Something we hope to roll out across all APNIC Services is something called instant feedback. The idea is that any time you have any kind of interaction with APNIC at all, any time we communicate with you or you to 7 us or provide any service, that you have the opportunity to provide some feedback about how that's gone. These days, with the Hostmaster ticket through RT, once that ticket is resolved, you will receive an automatic email that gives you the chance, if you want to, to give us some feedback about how that went. We are getting a lot of positive feedback, but also useful constructive feedback through that at the moment. We are also increasing membership outreach around the region, with roadshows and gatherings for members in particular, to increase awareness of the services that APNIC provides. This is just another page of these projects under Member Services at the moment. We are looking at improving CRM or customer relationship systems in APNIC, rebuilding that system so that it works better for us. We have upgraded the SAN back-up system, so we have looked at the data backup categories, the retention periods and the schedules for different types of data that need to be backed up and we have installed a new array for that. The Whois server has been upgraded. So RDAP is in production now and that's a completed project. We have also improved the monitoring systems that ensure the stability and recovery of problems on our online 8 systems. Related to that as well is having implemented ISO9001 quality assurance, we are starting to look at ISO27001, which is the information security standards. We are probably not going to try to get accreditation for that, it is extremely onerous and expensive, but we are at least reviewing it and bringing our policies and procedures into line with that standard. A few more details about specific developments in the last year. We have just launched two-factor authentication on MyAPNIC, so that the higher level of authentication that you need -- for instance, for corporate contact, voting and resource certification -- is something you can access through a standardized time-based one-time password, like the Google authenticator, which is working pretty nicely. Email address authentication as well and some work on maintainers. Maintaining maintainers has been something rather arduous in the past and we are making it easier these days through MyAPNIC as well. We wanted to find out more about where we should go with MyAPNIC, what was most important. We had a pretty good survey -- and thanks to every one of the 708 who responded to the MyAPNIC survey. That came from 30 different economies, so it's a really effective survey. We found out, perhaps not surprisingly, that 9 increasing the speed and responsiveness of MyAPNIC is important. We are going to do that. We are going to modernize the design and navigation of the site and introduce new management tools for reverse DNS, for ASN and Whois object updates. RDAP is something I mentioned. Thanks very much to the RIPE NCC. We are using the RIPE Whois database, of course, and RDAP was something that came with a recent update. We have put RDAP into operation. It gives you a standardized query and response format which will be very useful for automating certain things. One of those, for instance, is redirection. If you come and give an RDAP query to the APNIC website and the object you are after is in another RDAP site at another RIR, you will get your query automatically from there. You can also see, for instance, in the Policy SIG today, we had some Whois-related proposals and ideas which came up, for instance on the situation of route objects existing separately from the actual ASN number records in another Whois database. That would be the sort of thing that RDAP will be able to help us to sort out, as time goes on. It also gives internationalization, something else we heard about this week, so it will help us to modernize the Whois services at APNIC. 10 RPKI, "Ready to ROA", thanks to those who have been engaged with that campaign. As I said, we have increased the uptake of RPKI from a fairly small 0.82 per cent of address space up to 1.92, so on the brighter side, we have actually doubled RPKI adoption in this region, even though we have quite a long way still to go, of course. There's now face-to-face and eLearning training courses on RPKI, with a simulated offline system that tells you really everything you need to know about how to create and revoke your ROAs and put them into operation. I've finished the coverage of what we have been doing, in terms of APNIC member service, but as I said, if anyone has any questions about that, please feel free. Moving on to supporting the region, again we have a bunch of projects which were mentioned at the beginning of the year in our activity plan. One of those things is another pretty comprehensive survey we ran on training needs. We have really learnt a lot, which I'll talk about in a minute, about the needs of our community in the type of training we do and can offer. That also includes updating the APNIC training 11 curricula. Also what we are doing now is planning for something people have been asking for, for a while, which is an accreditation mechanism. So you can come away from an APNIC training with a certificate of accreditation, based on what you have learnt and the competency you have acquired in attending that training. Something else that's been historically requested many times, particularly when trainers are visiting with APNIC members in different places, is that often the people we are training need to know more and they are finding it difficult in many cases to actually find the expertise to deal with things like IPv6 deployment or security challenges or other network management challenges. This thing called the technical assistance service is something we have started to investigate, reaching out to members, primarily so far in three economies with about some 20 different consultations directly with members, to talk about what sort of specific technical needs they may have in assisting with those sorts of challenges that I mentioned. A bit more on that later as well. On the "completed" list is the Cooperation SIG. We had the second and I think a successful Cooperation SIG meeting this week. We have also been continuing 12 a pretty high level and high rate of regional technical support. This year, there have been 12 NOG events we have been involved with so far. We have supported 40 fellowships, two new root servers around the region, five RIPE Atlas anchors being installed around the region -- that's another collaboration with RIPE NCC -- and with quite a number of Atlas probes being also scattered around the place, and other technical engagements and presentations in regional events. More on training: the training team has been busy, as usual. So far this year, 49 face-to-face courses in 19 different locations. 1,356 trainees have been trained. Nearly 500 trained through 98 online eLearning sessions we have held so far this year. We have a video archive library as well, with quite a number of training videos that also get a lot of use. Another thing we are trying to increase these days is collaboration with agencies who are interested in assisting Internet development through training and human capacity building around the region. Just in this last period since the beginning of the year, we have worked with the World Bank, with JICA -- the Japan International Cooperation Agency -- and our continuing work with ITU. That is a way where resources are coming from other organizations to assist us in getting the 13 training and the technical assistance out into the community. The training needs assessment, as I mentioned, it covered all the topics and the areas of our training services. We learnt about the needs that people have for eLearning and made a few changes. That increased eLearning attendance, while reducing the cost and the investment we were making there. So it's a pretty effective result from that. We are also looking to develop self-paced learning, which will also be linked to online learning and certification, as I mentioned before. And working, we hope, with the help of RIPE NCC, on improving and developing some better self-paced learning. It's nice to see Rumy here, the training manager at RIPE NCC, who has been following some of the APNIC training this week and hoping to work closer as well on that. Face-to-face learning. We have been trying to assess the interest in different specific topics and we found a lot of interest in advanced subject matter on security, v6, BGP, DNSSEC, SDN as well. In line with our capabilities and our expertise and the expertise we can find, we will be continuing to review and update those courses. We have also added a bunch of 14 Juniper-based materials and a Juniper training lab to augment the stuff we had, which was largely Cisco based, but we are trying to keep a multi-vendor and a neutral approach to the training content as well. We have a new trainer coming in quite shortly and possibly another one by the end of the year, who I hope will bring some Hauwei experience and expertise to us, which of course is needed in this region. In the last year, we have had 12 different NOG events and you can see them mapped out there. When we attend NOG meetings, we have a lot of things that we do in connecting with the community. We are giving technical and APNIC update presentations, Hostmaster consultations, where members can come and talk about their specific Hostmaster and help desk needs, training and training workshops, of course. And, in most cases, some sort of logistical and sponsorship support, where it's needed. The NOGs really are seen in this region very definitely as a growing area, where we can make a very effective contact with our community. A whole lot of areas or activities under community development. I mentioned RIPE anchors. The fellowships for APRICOT and for APNIC 40. We are reviewing something like the best part of 50 different memorandums 15 of understanding that we have with different community organizations around the region. That could be NOGs, professional associations or Internet associations, and making sure those MOUs are meaningful and helping us to do our work. We had a couple of root servers go in in this period. One L root -- that's an ICANN root server. We worked with ICANN on that server in Samoa. A RIPE K root server in the Philippines and we have also been doing work with NSRC, the Network Start-up Resource Centre, in this case specifically on IXP installations in New Caledonia and Samoa. You can see a bit of a theme there with the Pacific community, because of course I guess we all know that the Internet needs in the Pacific are pretty special and quite needed at the moment. I mentioned technical assistance. This is where we really are being asked to help where people need that help, to build networks, to make sure they are stable and secure and reliable, in all sorts of different technical areas. They are mostly -- or invariably, they are connected with APNIC's own responsibilities and expertise, but we are also intending and we have been bringing in and identifying experts from outside in the community who can come in and do the work that's needed. 16 You can see it as some kind of a match making in a sense between the people who need it and the people who have some expertise to offer. I mention three countries -- Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Thailand -- and about 30 or so members we have spoken to in those economies. IPv6, of course, is something that we continue to work on. This is just a selection of the IPv6 activities that are part of either our training or our other outreach and community engagement activities. In particular, the ITU is running an annual IPv6 workshop, so we have done one of those this year in Bangkok. They also supported a technical assistance in Mongolia, which was specifically focused on IPv6 deployment challenges there. We are also, thanks to Miwa, continuing to run the AP IPv6 Task Force Secretariat out of the APNIC office. Adli Wahid is our security guy, ex-MYNOG, MyCERT, the Malaysian CERT. He has been really busy presenting and engaging with CERTs, with law enforcement. I think we have 10 different country visits he has made during this year. He has been working with JICA, with KISA and with FIRST on security training and outreach there. Adli is a member of the FIRST board. Just, by the way, Geoff Huston, in the security area, has joined the ICANN 17 stability and security advisory committee this year as well. So that's increasing our response to the security challenge for the Internet in our membership and in the Asia Pacific region more generally. Of course, APNIC Labs. They increased or extended their measurement activity this year by replacing good old Flash with HTML5. That allows mobiles to be measured for the first time. We have got more than 3 million measurements a day coming into the lab's servers, which are measuring various things, from IPv6 capability and preference, DNSSEC and DNS itself, for instance, with work that we have done with ICANN on the acceptance of IDN gTLDs. That's something that is really becoming a huge resource across a number of dimensions. It's been sort of improved, in terms of allowing that measurement platform, the single platform, to measure across all of those different experiments. Another thing you might like to try right now is something called vizAS. It's a visualization tool for AS number interconnection in any particular economy that you want to take a look at. It's a graphical display; you see it here. But you can also have a look at labs.apnic.net/vizas. Have a go at that, if you like. It's something that will help you, if you are curious or 18 an operator, to see how interconnection is happening in the networks around you. ISIF Asia continues from strength to strength. We have just finished the last three-year set of projects which were supported with a couple of million dollars from the International Development Research Centre and the Swedish International Development Agency. That was to support a global small grants program which was conducted by APNIC, LACNIC and AFRINIC. There's a list of projects and grants and awardees that have been supported by ISIF there. The latest news is that under the ISIF banner, we have launched the Internet Operational Research Grants Program, which is a moderate injection of funds from APNIC that we hope will grow, that's specifically for Internet research activities within the community, which could be targeted at network measurement and analysis, IPv6, BGP, network security and such like. There have been cards going around about those grants, and anyone who is interested in either making a proposal or spreading the word, you are very welcome to do that. Other events: 12 events in different economies of the region this year, including those member outreach and APNIC regional meetings and our conferences, which 19 so far with APNIC 40 and 39 together, we seem to have reached about 1,300 people in those two major Conference events this year, which is great to see. The blog is something that is also going up and to the right, which is the way we like to see it. The blog turned 1 this year, as of August. We have had around 10,000 visitors a month this year, several hundred blog posts. We have a bunch of bloggers, mostly staff still, but also a couple of dozen guest bloggers, and we are getting a lot of interest in that. It's thanks to Tony, Siena and the comms team. It has really turned out to be a very effective way to centralize and really push out communications that people are interested in, that come either from APNIC or from others through that channel. Just finally, a few slides on the global collaborations. As I mentioned, the ISIF and small grants programs are all sitting under the development area at APNIC. One of the things that Duncan has been working on in the development area is looking at how we can increase the reach of our development activities and increase funding and resources that are available to do that work, without having it always coming out of APNIC's own revenue. I think it is pretty clear that while we subsidize 20 events like training, conferences, fellowships and so on, that APNIC members and member funds don't extend indefinitely, but in fact the challenge of Internet development in our region does keep growing. We are looking to partner with different agencies and looking to develop the sort of strategies for how we can extend the work and do it more effectively and in greater volume. Something I could go into but I won't dwell on here is also the IANA Stewardship Transition, which is something we have been working on for the best part of this year, very intensively, with the RIRs and others in the Internet community and so on. If you look a bit more broadly outside the Asia Pacific Region, there are a bunch of different cooperative activities and engagements that we have, which could be about security or v6 advocacy or the Internet Governance Forum activities, our work with ICANN and the RIRs and particularly, as I say this year, around the IANA Stewardship Transition. Just very briefly, where we are at with the IANA Stewardship Transition is that we have the full transition proposal which has been developed by the ICG. It has been open for comments for the last six weeks and those comments just closed a couple of days ago. This 21 is what we spent quite some time on Tuesday talking about this week. We also have, as part of the implementation of that proposal, something called the Service Level Agreement, which is proposed to exist between the RIRs and ICANN, for the ongoing provision of IANA services to us. That's something that's been under so far two rounds of review. The comments on that latest version closed recently and we are going to be working with the other RIRs to finalize or produce a further revision of that agreement for your review in the near future. The other thing that happened there is that, of course, we have been working to a deadline of the end of this month for the IANA Stewardship Transition. The process has been a little bit slower than was expected, although it was a hugely ambitious thing to expect this thing to be done in that time. The US Government has extended the contract by another year, so we have a timetable now that extends out to 30 September next year for the final deadline for this thing to be done. I think that's a pretty realistic thing for us to be aiming for. RIR collaboration: finally, something that goes on in different ways with different RIRs around the region. Across the RIRs, we just recently announced something we 22 call the RIR Stability Fund, which is a pledge or a commitment from each of the RIRs to a virtual pool of funds. We haven't actually pooled funds in one place, but we have made commitments to make funds available, just in case any one of the RIRs might encounter some logistical or financial difficulties or some circumstances that require some action and support from others. That's something that's pretty important, in terms of showing the world that this RIR system is sustainable and will sustain itself, even in the event of something that we might not foresee. We have been working on RIR accountability and transparency. That's kind of connected with the ICANN process, because ICANN itself has been under a spotlight related to its accountability and its transparency and governance. We decided the RIRs should make ourselves more open to examination, in terms of our accountability and transparency. There's now more information on the NRO website which compares all the RIRs and gives a very good summary of how we are governed, according to different measures across the five of us. That's available on the NRO website. There is other operational collaboration that continues amongst the RIRs, to make sure we are doing 23 what we need to do at a global level in the best way possible. Finally, we have the next meeting coming up. I just wanted to remind you, in case you needed to be reminded, that APRICOT 2016 with APNIC 41 is coming up next year in Auckland, New Zealand, 15 to 26 February. I hope to see you there. That's all that I have to report right now. I'm happy to answer any questions. Thanks very much. APPLAUSE >>Maemura Akinori: Thank you very much, Paul. Do you have any questions or comments? >>Kaveh Ranjbar (RIPE NCC): It's more of a comment, because, Paul, you mentioned the collaboration on the measurements and K root and I wanted to thank the APNIC community and APNIC, because the collaboration, especially on the measurements, has helped a lot to measure the Asia Pacific community, within your community and for the rest of the world. That has been very fruitful. Thanks to APNIC organization, especially to Miwa and Sunny, who run the project. I hope the same happens with the K root. It has been a very good collaboration and I'm very happy to work with you guys. >>Paul Wilson: Thank you. I should also mention that RIPE 24 NCC is here in some force. It's great to see. We also had a presentation from Robert Kisteleki, which gave us some really interesting perspectives on traffic routing within and between the economies of the Asia Pacific region. That's all based on the RIPE stats and the RIPE Atlas work. I think we are producing some great results together. Thanks. >>Maemura Akinori: I will ask Kenny Huang to the podium to deliver to you the EC Treasurer report for James Spenceley, our Treasurer. >>Kenny Huang: Good afternoon. My name is Kenny Huang. It's my honour to present the Treasurer's report on behalf of our Treasurer. Basically, the Treasurer's report is split into two parts, the first part is the year to date June 2015 financial report and the second part is year to date June 2015 activity report. The first part for the financial report, we are talking about operating surplus. Until year to date in June 2015, APNIC operating surplus was $1.4 million. All the money amounts I mention here will be in Australian dollars. Year to date, the actual budget in June 2015 will be $900,000. So we have year to date in June 2015 surplus report at $500,000 above budget. We estimate the full year forecast will be $1.8 million. 25 That means we have $629,000 more than the budget. I will go into the detail. We are looking at the first part of the statement of income. That's the revenue part. In terms of revenue part, because we have replaced the IP resource allocation fee into a sign-up fee, so right now we have increased the sign-up fee. Our revenue year to date in June was $167,000 above the budget. The full year forecast would be $340,000 above the budget. That increased because we have more members joining the membership and also members require larger allocations as we anticipated in the last year, because of the recovery pool from IANA. That's the major reason we have increased the income. Our second part of the statement of income is expenses. You can see most of the expense items are below our budget. Expenses year to date in June 2015 was $7.6 million. That's about $334,000 below the budget. We focused that would be below budget by $289,000 by the end of year 2015. Most of the expenses are below the budget. Now we look at the statement of financial positions. Our total current assets are $7.5 million and noncurrent assets are $26.4 million. So total assets will be $33.99 million. 26 Our total current liabilities is $10.39 million. Our total liabilities will be $10.97 million. Our overall net assets total equity will be $23 million. That's our total equity. The table shows how our membership grows, from 2009 until June 2015. Starting from 2009 level, we were at about 2,117 members. But up to the end of June 2015, we have almost 4,931 members. We anticipate we will reach 5,265 members at the end of this year. Especially strong growth in Australia, Hong Kong and Japan. From this diagram, we can see how the membership grows in different categories. For example, like extra large, very large, large, medium, small, very small and associate members. We have a lot of very small members growth in the past few months. We look at APNIC's reserve. We have APNIC reserve, starting from 1998 until June 2015. Most of the assets were converted to financial assets. We have property, in the purple colour, and cash, in the blue colour. You can see the distribution reflect to APNIC reserve. We come to measure of financial stability of APNIC. Based on our total equity, as we mentioned, we have $23 million financial equity, compared to our daily expense, our daily expense is $45,900. So according to our total net equity, that reflects the number of months 27 of expenses covered by our own equity will be 16.47 months. That means without any extra income, APNIC can operate for 16.47 months. That shows a very positive financial stability and we have a defined goal and it is pretty much likely we can reach the goal. The second part for the activity reporting. We have defined activity codes, including four categories. The first category is serving members. The second category is regional development and outreach. The third category is global collaboration. The fourth category is corporate governance expense. According to the different categories, different codes, we have a 2015 budget expense by different activities. For example, from serving members, that was our commission for APNIC. Full-time employees estimate will be 41.2 full-time employees and that estimate up to 50 per cent of total employees. The expenditure was $8.29 million. That reflects to 49 per cent of the total operating expenditure. We have $922,000 capex. That equates to about 74 per cent of the total capital expenditure. Our total operating expenditure will be $17 million and total capex will be $1.2 million. This chart reflects the expenditure by different 28 activity. You can see the purple colour reflects serving members. That was the major expenditure from our current budget allocation. The left-hand side is estimate in end of year 2015, right-hand side will be up to date in June 2015, it reflects a very similar diagram. We have about 49 per cent budget allocation for serving the members, and also global collaboration and regional development was equally about 20 per cent or 21 per cent, and 10 per cent for corporate expense. Year to date in June 2015, expense by activity, based on the different categories, they have different cost expenditure. This slide also shows year to date in June 2015 capex by activity. That will be the end of my Treasurer's report. Any questions or comments? Thank you very much. APPLAUSE >>Maemura Akinori: Thank you very much. Any questions or comments? >>Tony Smith: We had a couple of comments on the last presentation from the remote Adobe Connect, which weren't passed on, so I would like to pass them on now. 29 We had some comments from Aftab. There is a question regarding technical assistance services. Aftab asked, "How much is APNIC charged in terms of this program? What is the criteria of charging and how APNIC pays the consultants?" >>Paul Wilson: They are good questions. The point of the work we have done so far is to understand better what the needs are, what the finances are, what are the sustainability kind of measures, in terms of whether and how much members are able to pay. Also to work out what total costs are and to see how those costs could be recovered. It's not that we have a business model for this yet. It's something that at least this first set of activity will help us to understand what can be done. I hope that anyone who has been involved with the visits we have made so far or anyone who might need this kind of help, whether it is from or through APNIC or elsewhere, might be able to help us work out what the best approach to that activity is. Thanks. >>Maemura Akinori: Thank you. After our Treasurer's report, I brought myself to the podium to deliver you the report from the Executive Council. APNIC EC members for 2015. We have the members of 30 the Executive Council, so I would like to have a self-introduction from each member. Chee-Hoo, please. >>Chee-Hoo Cheng: Hi, I'm Che-Hoo Cheng, I'm from Hong Kong. >>Gaurab Raj Upadhaya: I'm Gaurab Upadhaya from Limelight Networks. >>Kenny Huang: Kenny Huang from Taiwan. <>Ma Yan: Hello, everyone. My name is Ma Yan from BUPT, CERNET. >>Maemura Akinori: And Paul Wilson, Director General, and the ex officio member of the Executive Council. And I am Maemura Akinori, the Chair of the Executive Council. You are looking at the slide and we have James Spenceley as the Treasurer, but we don't have him on the stage. We received a sincere apology from him this time. He has been extremely busy and he couldn't make himself available. So please accept that. But we, the Executive Council, the eight members, are trying very hard for fulfilling our job. The function of the APNIC EC. It's quite a static slide, which has no big change. I would like to skip it 31 for efficiency. EC meeting record. As I said, James has been absent from two recent meetings. But he said in his message of apologies that he will get back to his most enthusiastic in the near future, so we so pretty much expect that. Other than that, the attendance for the EC meetings, which is to be held quarterly, is really good. We are so keen to do our business. Finances. The Treasurer's report covers a lot of points so I don't really need to add a lot of things. The strong membership growth, we are counting 5,000 members. As you saw in the activity report, we have 4,500-plus LIRs under NIRs, it is counting up almost to 10,000, we have a big number, as the biggest region among the five. Another point is the activity budgeting. This time in Jakarta is the first time to deliver you the financial report with the activity budgeting. So that's one of the progress of our transparency. Strategic planning: we have the four-year cycle of strategic planning and we are now preparing for another strategic plan, which is the time is starting in 2016. 2016 APNIC survey: planning is now underway and APNIC values feedback from members and the community. We had previous survey in 2014. The survey report is 32 already available in an easy URL www.apnic.net/survey. Accountability and transparency: as I told you previously, it is quite a big important point of the Executive Council job. Right now, in conjunction with IANA Stewardship Transition and ICANN's accountability framework reinforcement, we are doing something among the five RIRs to clarify our transparency and accountability mechanisms. We do that RIR accountability matrix, and that's a comparable analysis and we can find what is the difference and what is the point of the improvement. This is again what I told you in the previous opportunity: we have the APNIC transparency page in this URL and there you can browse the number of accountability items in a single page. So please look at it for you to understand better what we are doing for the transparency. As I said, the activity plan and the budgeting is one of the points of improvement, in terms of accountability. New activity codes created to track all expenditure. Then you can find easily that APNIC is spending its expenditure. Half of them are for resource management and some others are training, engagement, something like that. IANA Stewardship Transition has been already 33 mentioned sufficiently. I don't repeat that, at this moment. But IANA Stewardship Transition, we had ICG proposal and had a public comment period, which ended this Tuesday. I saw that we had 130 or 140 responses from the Internet Community to the ICG. So we expect a smooth finalization of that ICG proposal, and then implementation after that toward the stewardship transition will happen. Inter-RIR transfer policy: it was one of the items which the Executive Council decided previously. We had a moratorium for the inter-RIR transfer with RIPE NCC, but at this time in the Executive Council meeting on Monday, we decided to resolve to lift -- that means discontinue -- the temporary moratorium on the inter-RIR transfers with RIPE NCC. That is the reaction that RIPE NCC recently set the new inter-RIR transfer policy to require the recipient of the transfer from the other RIR region which has the demonstrated need policy. So that helped us to lift this moratorium. So now you can transfer the IPv4 address, if you need it, with someone in the RIPE NCC region. The election result announcement: it is already done in the Policy SIG Session, but I think, as someone noticed, we had a little bit change. We, right now, 34 have the bold points as the new information which is to be delivered from the Election Chair, which are total aggregate count for the online votes and total aggregate count for on-site votes. This is the reaction by the Executive Council from the comments from the floor in our previous APNIC Member Meeting in Fukuoka. The disclosure of the election results needs care in two aspects. One is the transparency, so we need to disclose the information as much as possible. But at the same time, we need to ensure the confidentiality of the voters, so which voters voted for whom, kind of information. We had some discussion among the Executive Council and we concluded to disclose the aggregate count of the online and on-site votes will benefit in increasing the transparency, but not harm confidentiality. So we decided, then we had a new style of the election report from the Election Chair this time. EC appointment to the NRO NC. As you know, the NRO NC holds three members per region and two of them are elected through the community election and one member out of three will be appointed by the RIR board. One of our duties is to appoint one of the NRO NC members as the Executive Council appointee. The appointee's term ends in December, so we have three months to go, but we 35 have already decided to reappoint Aftab Siddiqui, the current NRO NC member, as the EC appointee, again to the next term of 2016. This is the last slide. Executive Council, on behalf of the APNIC members and sometimes on behalf of the broader community, to oversee the operation of the APNIC Secretariat. We would love to hear your voice, if you have anything for the APNIC business. So please contact us in several ways. One way is the EC submission feature on MyAPNIC; another way is emailing to the exec-sec@apnic.net. Of course, you can come up to us to say something, which is welcome, and the closing dinner is the opportunity for that. We had a "Meet the EC" event this time as well, so that was a good opportunity with some refreshment, so please never fail to make use of that in the next chance. That's all. I'm really happy to answer your questions, if you have. No. Perfectly clear. I hope so. Thank you very much. APPLAUSE We come to the open mic period. You can mention anything you want. Please come up to the microphone and then the floor will be yours. 36 >>Tony Smith: I have another comment from Aftab on the remote participation, saying he really appreciates the change in the announcement of the election result, and a vote of thanks to the EC for reappointment. >>Maemura Akinori: Thank you very much. Any other questions or comments? >>Adeel Sadiq (NUST): Since you mentioned the comments are welcome, I'm Adeel Sadiq, a fellow from Pakistan. My question is for you, Paul. You mentioned something about the global collaboration, and I have found people from five RIRs, Microsoft, so far and so forth, but still I'm unable to find any one person from IETF. I would have loved to meet any person from IETF and know about how standards and drafts are going through the process. >>Paul Wilson: You are asking about collaboration with the IETF? >>Adeel Sadiq (NUST): I'm unable to find anyone from the IETF. APNIC 40 has 631 registered members, which is a record to date, but still no member from IETF. Would you like to comment on that? >>Paul Wilson: That's a good question. We would welcome people from IETF at the meeting. We do have people from APNIC, as from other RIRs, who attend IETF meetings to track a few of the specific IETF activities, including 37 things like RPKI, DNSSEC, routing security, et cetera. The Engineering Coordination Group of the RIRs, which comprises the designated liaison from each RIR, who work together, they also meet quite regularly at IETF meetings. We are there, trying to track things that are relevant to us from our point of view. But you are right, we don't often get so many IETF folks at an APNIC Meeting, unfortunately. Thanks. >>Maemura Akinori: Any other questions or comments? If not, okay, let's move on. My report from the Executive Council concludes the reports from the APNIC Secretariat and the EC. Then we are moving on to the SIG session reports, beginning with the Policy SIG report from Masato Yamanishi, Chair of the Policy SIG. >>Masato Yamanishi: This is the report from APNIC Policy SIG. This time, we have Co-Chair election, a second try; we also considered four policy proposals; and three informational presentations and one community consultation. Sumon kindly offered to serve as the Co-Chair. There is no other candidate, so he is elected as new Co-chair. Sumon is new Co-chair. 38 APPLAUSE Thank you so much, because I don't need to work alone anymore. As I said, we considered three official proposals. The first one is prop-113, which proposed to relax the criteria to get new IPv4 address. It did reach to consensus, so Policy SIG decided to send it to AMM, in here. The second one is prop-114, which also proposed to relax the criteria to get new ASN. This proposal is also reached to consensus and it is sent to AMM also. The third one is prop-115, which proposed to add detailed information to Whois database. This proposal failed to reach consensus, and is pushed back to the mailing list. But since it is a pretty new concept, Policy SIG would like to seek AMM's permission to have the Secretariat conduct a survey, which kind of details should be shared over the Whois database, or another point is which kind of solution should be used to share such information. Because there are some objections to using Whois database in such case. So that is another point which we are looking for the input. We also had three informational presentations. The first one is pretty important, presented by Geoff. It shows the status of our IPv4 resources. Actually, the 39 final /8, right now we have two address v4 pools. The first one is final /8 and the other one is IANA recovered pool. Regarding final /8 pool, it will run out after four or five years. The problem is IANA recovered pool is now running out within the next seven months. Then IANA may allocate additional space every six months. It means this pool will repeatedly run out because IANA may allocate additional space within every six months. However, right now we don't have any specific policy to deal with this temporary exhaustion, so we may need additional policy for this problem. But the problem is, it is pretty urgent situation, because the first running out may happen within the next seven months, so it may happen before the next Policy SIG meeting. We also had two informational presentations and two community consultations from the Secretariat. That's all. >>Maemura Akinori: Questions or comments? >>Tony Smith: Aftab is keeping me busy. This is from Aftab. Regarding prop-115, Aftab asks: "I don't understand why it was sent back to the mailing list. It was presented in Fukuoka and didn't reach consensus and this time there was only one single vote in support on CONFER and there is no reason to ask AMM 40 to have a survey derived from a policy proposal. The SIG Chair can only decide if the proposal should be pushed back to the mailing list if it is accepted or rejected, rather than suggesting a survey." >>Masato Yamanishi: I asked the community opinion about to have such survey and there was some support to having such survey. Also, there is no objection for that. So I think it's not my sole decision, it is community decision. Also, the reason why I pushed back to the mailing list, actually this prop-115 proposed two details, but actually it is an example. Then the first one is a v4 port range and there are several objections for that from security perspective. However, regarding the second point, which is assignment size of v6 space, there is some support and no objection for that. So that is why I pushed back to the mailing list. >>Tony Smith: He is typing. I'm assuming we will have a response in a moment. Aftab says, "There was no support for the proposal at all." >>Masato Yamanishi: It's not correct. There is no support for the proposal as it is. Then, after that, I divide a couple of points and then ask the question, and there 41 is some support for -- especially for the second point, which means assignment size information, it's not correct. >>Tony Smith: Aftab has another comment, saying: "You took a couple of points from a proposal and asked for the survey. That is not how it should be done. It is the responsibility of the author to do that, not the SIG Chair." >>Masato Yamanishi: No, I don't think so. >>Adam Gosling: If I may. The Policy SIG Chair -- in this case, Masato -- is the Chair of the meeting, so he can do anything he wants, really. If he wants to pull out individual parts of a proposal and ask for feedback on that, I think that's fine, personally. That's usually what a Chair can do. I would just remind Aftab that the Chair's decision is final in this case. >>Masato Yamanishi: Thank you. >>Maemura Akinori: Then let's get back to the proposals which reached consensus. According to the policy development process of ours, the proposals which reached consensus will be raised in the APNIC Member Meeting for the confirmation of the consensus. As the Chair of the APNIC Member Meeting, I will do 42 this. The first proposal for that is prop-113, "Modification in the IPv4 eligibility criteria." I don't repeat the contents of the proposal. This reached consensus in the Policy SIG. What I am asking you is to raise your hand, either of the two points. One point is that you support this consensus, I mean that this proposal got consensus in the Policy SIG. The second point is that you don't think so. Clear enough? Okay. Those who support this proposal reached consensus in the Policy SIG, please raise your hand. You support this proposal which reached consensus. If you think so, please raise your hand. Thank you very much. Those who don't think this reached consensus in the Policy SIG, so those who don't support this proposal, please raise your hand. No one. >>Elvis Velea (4vEscrow): A quick question about the implementation. I don't know if this is the right time to ask for it. The eligibility says that if a company plans to multihome and advertise the prefix within six months, it will get it. What happens if it doesn't announce the prefix within six months? Will APNIC have the possibility to take it back? 43 >>Masato Yamanishi: I think his question is if the organization will not announce this prefix within six months, do you have a right to revoke it or do you have such capability? >>Paul Wilson: I think the proposal, as written, is something -- from the Secretariat, we would have to interpret it literally. If someone claims to have an intention at a particular time, then we would be respecting that. The policy says nothing about checking their intention later. So I don't think this policy implies anything about recovering of address space later. I'm not sure if this is the right time to be talking about the details of the policy, but I'll leave that to the Chair. Thanks. >>Maemura Akinori: Okay. Thanks very much. What we were doing is confirming the consensus of this, as the AMM. Then the result of the show of hands clearly means that this proposal is supported by the AMM. Thank you very much. Next, please. Prop-114, "Modification in the ASN eligibility criteria". Quite similar, but for the ASN. It reached consensus in Policy SIG. Again, I will ask you to raise your hand for either of the two options. One is that you support this proposal, and the other is 44 that you oppose to this proposal. Those who support this proposal, please raise your hand. Nice and high. Thank you very much. Those who oppose to this proposal, please raise your hand. Okay. There's no hands shown for the opposition. Then I believe this proposal is supported by the AMM. Thank you very much. Do you have anything else? >>Masato Yamanishi: Thank you very much. I will put these two proposals to the last comment period, and normally it will be four weeks, and maybe I will not extend. But it depends on what will happen during the last comment period. Thank you very much for the authors of each proposal and participants in the meeting, the remote participants and participants over the mailing list. Thank you very much for your support, as always. >>Maemura Akinori: Thank you very much, Masato. APPLAUSE The next report is from NIR SIG, from the Chair of NIR SIG, Toshio Tachibana. >>Toshio Tachibana: Good afternoon, everyone. I'm Toshio 45 Tachibana, the NIR SIG Chair. I want to talk about the NIR SIG report of this week. The NIR SIG session was held on Tuesday afternoon. We had about 45 people, a lot of people coming here. Thank you for the participation. The agenda, we had some kind of administrative topics and also the update from each NIR. We had all NIR updates at this session. Thank you very much. It was very useful for all of you who participated in the APNIC Conference. I don't have the detail of this update reports today. Please come to the website, check it out, for the slides and also the video. We had the Chair and Co-Chair election. For myself and Jessica and Ajai, our term ended in August this year, so we went to the election at the start of the session. We have two nominees for the Chair, also the Co-Chair, two nominees. But one person who cannot be able to come here, and according to the guidelines, he cannot join to the election nominee. The election result is I am re-elected Chair; also Ajai is re-elected Co-Chair; also a new Co-Chair is here, Zhen Yu, and also Ajai is here. We have deep appreciation to Jessica Shen for her contribution to the 46 previous term. Thank you very much. We had Q&A and discussion. We had some comment from the participants, and the presentation was very useful, not only for the NIR people, but also for the public. The suggestion is to provide the Asia Pacific regional report that collaborates with the Global Reports session. It seems a good idea, but it is so difficult to achieve for this solution, I think. We are going to have a discussion about what is the best way for organizing the NIR session with the Chair and the Co-Chairs. These are our presenters, including the Chair and Co-Chairs that are here. That's all from me. See you next time in Auckland. Thank you very much. APPLAUSE >>Maemura Akinori: Questions or comments? Nothing. Thank you very much, Toshio. Thank you very much for making it short, we really appreciate. Next report is from Chair of the Cooperation SIG, Dr Govind. >>Dr Govind: Thank you, Chair, and EC members. The Cooperation SIG meeting was held yesterday. My Co-Chair, Billy, was there. As you are aware, this Cooperation SIG is an important forum where to discuss the public policy issues pertaining to the Internet 47 governance and other relevant public policy issues which are useful to the Internet Community and the Asia Pacific community. We had the agenda. We had four speakers, starting with Maemura Akinori about the update on the WSIS+10 review process, where he talked about the consultation process presently going on, which started in July, and how this whole thing will be culminated in the December meeting this year. He also talked about how the developing countries and the sustainable development goals of WSIS has to be pursued in the context of the Internet and the global issues in this respect. The next speaker was Edmon Chung from DotAsia. He talked about the coordinated framework for rapid takedown and suspension processes against abusive activities. In the Asia Pacific context he talked about what are the various frameworks which have been brought out in this regard and how these takedown processes are going to help mitigate the abusive processes of the abuse of Internet domain names. He also talked about how to safeguard the tiger and how the tiger has no boundaries in the jungle, so similarly the Internet has also no boundaries, no jurisdiction, so how it can flip-flop from one place to another. That's why we have to safeguard the tiger, 48 save the tiger in the jungle, similarly we have to save the Internet in this global arena. The second topic of his talk was on the universal acceptance of internationalized domain names, email addresses and the new top level domains. Here he talked about how the internationalized domain names of various scripts other than Roman scripts are going to be helpful in the multilingual Internet domains and how the various frameworks or how the various technologies need to evolve. And it is still evolving. There are many scripts which are not still acceptable, so there is a need to work in a collaborative manner to bring out the universal acceptance of IDNs in the emails and the new top level domains which are coming up in the ICANN. Thereafter, Mr Byron Ellacott talked about the universal acceptance, again in the APNIC system readiness, and what are the gaps, and he talked about what are the gaps in this process, where we need to put up the various systems and what are the softwares and what are still some other things which need to be developed to bring it on par with the email systems in the other browsers and other kind of things. The last topic was an introduction to Manila Principles, where Joity Panday from Centre for Internet Society in India talked about the five principles of 49 intermediaries, how the intermediary's goal has to be strengthened and how the various issues there are coming up in the various issues and how it is going to be tackled, and she gave an in-depth study of these principles for the community. Thank you. >>Maemura Akinori: Thank you very much. APPLAUSE Any questions or comments? Okay. We are approaching, coming near, to the ending. Now we would like to invite to the podium Mr Hakim Mohammad, ISP Association of Bangladesh, to deliver the welcome message from Dhaka, the place where we will have APNIC 42, in approximately one year. >>Hakim Mohammad: Good evening, everybody. This is Mohammad Hakim from Bangladesh, I'm representing the Internet Service Providers Association of Bangladesh as their President. As you know, we are the local host of the APNIC 42 meeting in Dhaka, Bangladesh, and we would like to request all of you to save the date on your calendar, that is 29 September 2016 to 6 October 2016. Still the venue is not decided. Hopefully within a couple of days we will decide the venue. According to that, APNIC and the Internet Association of Bangladesh 50 will inform to you the conference venue. This is general information. In Bangladesh, the currency is Bangladeshi taka, and US$1 is equivalent to 78 taka. The language is Bangali. Mostly we are Muslims, almost 90 per cent are Muslims, Hindus are 8.54 per cent, Buddhists are 0.62 per cent and Christians are 0.31 per cent. Time zone is UTC+6. The weather in September to October, typical climate is cool, with no rain and the sky will be clear. This is the direct flight information to Dhaka. Bangkok, Chennai, Colombo, Doha, Dubai, China, Hong Kong, Istanbul, Karachi, Kathmandu, Kolkuta, Kuala Lumpur, Kunming, Mumbai, Rome and Singapore. This is the visa procedure of Bangladesh. Basically it is very easy to get a Bangladesh visa. Citizens of all countries get on-arrival visa, except India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and Sudan. There is a help desk in the international airport to get an on-arrival visa, the fees are close to $50 to $55 and the help desk and visa on arrival desk is open 24/7. For more details, you can visit visitbangladesh.gov.bd. The attractions in Dhaka, Bangladesh: the Bangabandhu Museum, it was the house of the father of the nation, now it is turned into a museum in 1996. 51 You can visit the Smriti Soudho, basically the national monument of Bangladesh. This is the symbol in memory of those who have sacrificed their lives in the Bangladesh Liberation War in 1971. There is also the Parliament House, which is the legislative body of Bangladesh. All the other information will be available on visitbangladesh.gov.bd. There is a small video presentation of Bangladesh. (Video presentation of Bangladesh) APPLAUSE I would like to invite all of you to visit Bangladesh in September 2016. See you then. >>Maemura Akinori: Thank you very much. APPLAUSE I heard that Sumon has something from the BDNOG. >>Sumon Sabir: You already know that APNIC 42 will be, along with BDNOG 6, so I would like to invite you all to the APNIC and the BDNOG meeting as well. We started the NOG meetings for the last two years, almost 260 operating AS number in Bangladesh, all the local engineers in the industry, and all the leading scientists and researchers from around the global, they are attending the meeting, plus broader technical community, along with the government, regulators and 52 everybody that is in BDNOG. We would love to see you there. In the speaker list, we have including the NOG community around the global, we have researchers, scientists, academics and all the operational engineers who will be attending there. You have already been told about Bangladesh. We have a few more stats. We have around 150 million people and more than 48 million are Internet users, but 96 per cent is mobile Internet. Broadband is growing now. We have close to 110 million mobile subscribers at the moment. E-commerce is taking off, the CDN market is growing. The datacentre market is still greenfield, and Bangladesh has already become the top five freelancing outsourcing nation in the world. That's from me. I welcome you all. If you want more information, it is good to have an APNIC Meeting after Jakarta, so you are all accustomed to the traffic. So I hope you will enjoy in Dhaka. Thank you very much. >>Maemura Akinori: Thank you very much, Sumon. APPLAUSE We came to the open mic session but I would like to invite the APIX update for this time slot. >>Che-Hoo Cheng: I'm Chee-Hoo, I'm on APIX board, I'm doing 53 the report on behalf of our Chair, Tomoya-san, who is now back to Japan. I will do a quick report, five minutes. Tomoya-san did the slides on the plane, so I have to do it for him. We want to have a quick update on the APIX activities. APIX stands for Asia Pacific Internet Exchange. We are an association of IXPs in the region. We want to share information and knowledge about technical things, operational and business issues related to our IX businesses. Right now, we have 18 members, we have two new members, one from Bangkok, Thailand, BKNIX, and another one from all around the region, that's a mega port, the IX is named Mega IX. We know there are quite a number of other IXs in the region and we want them to join us as membership. If you are aware of any of the IXs which are not on the list, please tell them to join us. Our board or steering committee is composed of five people: Toyama-san is the Chair, from Japan; I'm the Treasurer, from Hong Kong; Ajai from India, he is the Secretary; Gaurab from Nepal; and also Brian from Korea. This week, on Sunday, we had our 12th meeting. We had around 20 people attended the meeting. This time, 54 we had about 10 IXPs members to attend our meeting and we also had one from our potential member, TWIX from Taiwan, we hope TWIX will join us in the future. For the agenda, this time, because it is a stand-alone APNIC Meeting, we think it is an opportunity for us to do internal discussions among the members. So we have updates from 10 of our members and in fact it was a very good internal discussion among the IXPs, because there were no vendors and other related people. So we had very frank discussions. I personally enjoyed it very, very much. We also had to deal with the internal issues, administrative issues. We had signed an MOU with APIA, they will help us to host our organization bank accounts and things like that, because APIX right now is still not a legal entity by ourselves. Also, we ran our website using Euro-IX website software, but because of the cost involved for that, we need to pay to cover the cost. That means we need to collect membership fee. So far, we haven't collect membership fee and we discussed about the membership fee at the meeting, and we have a rough consensus about the level of the membership fee. We hope it will not impose a big financial burden to our members. We hope we can rely more on the sponsorship from our patrons or 55 vendors. We also discussed about whether we should set up a separate legal entity and things like that, but there's no real conclusion yet. The last thing we discussed was related to ITU. Surprisingly, ITU is now interested in IXP, the Internet Exchange, so they put out the request for comments and after discussions among our members we did send comments together with other IXP associations around the world, we used the entity called IX Foundation to send the comments out. Also, our Japanese members also sent out their comments. We hope ITU will not do some stupid things to ruin our business. We also discussed what can be done by ourselves, including collaboration, more collaborations with APNIC and other Internet organizations within the region, especially on establishing IXPs in the developing countries, in a bottom-up way. That's it. I think I should highlight that we have good support from APNIC so far, APNIC provides us with a venue, so that's why we could survive without collecting from the membership. But going forward, for long-term sustainability, we need to have some more income, and many thanks to APNIC again for its support so far. 56 That's it. Thank you. >>Maemura Akinori: Thank you very much. APPLAUSE This is the report from APIX. The slides are already available on the web. If I could, I would like to invite the report on the IPv6 measurement. I understand we have some problem with coordination in that place. We will provide that. We will have that report from the measurement BoF later on, on the web, so please keep track of the Conference website, so you can find the report from that. Open mic session. Open mic time for you. You can come up to the microphone. I see Tony there. >>Tony Smith: I have a couple of questions from Aftab for the open mic. The first question is in regard to technical assistance services which was presented in the DG report. Aftab asks: "I would like to understand technical assistance services, please. Is APNIC transforming itself as a systems integrator or consultant? Are any RIRs doing the same thing?" >>Paul Wilson: I can comment briefly about that. I mentioned during my report that we have a long history 57 of providing training and coordinating workshops around the region and it's actually been a very common thing that members have asked where they can get help and whether we can help to find assistance and advice for their issues. These are members who we generally have had to say, "No, we're not able to do that." At the same time, though, the member surveys have very frequently advised and asked APNIC to do more towards issues like IPv6 deployment in particular, very commonly, over the years, and more recently our security issues. I think we have what seems to be a demand that's not met. I think we wouldn't be hearing the requests and getting the guidance from the survey, if this was well met. That said, I think in fact the demand is very large and it's in no way possible or an intention to try and meet that demand by establishing a -- what did you say? -- systems integrator sort of operation. What I think we can do is, given that we have some internal expertise and we have a pretty large network of experts and trainers of people who actually do the work with workshops and training and so forth, I think we can apply that to actually help to find the answers that people want. 58 I tried to say during my report, it's a question of identifying the need for expertise and also the source of expertise, and it's not a business operation. That would not be in APNIC's mandate at all. I hope that's clear enough. Thanks. >>Tony Smith: Thanks, Paul. The second comment from Aftab relates to back to the discussion we had previously about prop-115. Aftab's comment is: "This is taken from the APNIC consensus process. 'If there is some interest in the proposal but no agreement, the Chair may return the proposal back to the mailing list to continue the discussion until the next meeting.' There was no support for prop-115 and still it was sent to the mailing list for further discussion. Since the Chair can do anything, is there therefore no reason to have an APNIC consensus process published on the APNIC website?" >>Paul Wilson: I might comment on that as well. I think the Chair is elected to exercise some judgment and if there are not sufficient guidelines or absolute clear guidelines, then of course it's up to the SIG to produce those. I suggest that kind of proposal for clarifying guidelines could simply come from the floor. 59 Masato, please. >>Masato Yamanishi: This is Masato. It's a comment as SIG Chair. Let me correct one thing in Aftab's comment. Even though he said there is no support for prop-115, actually there was support for some part of prop-115. So we cannot say there is no support for prop-115, the whole of prop-115. So that is a point. >>Maemura Akinori: Thank you. Are there comments or questions? This will be the last chance for you to say something on the floor. Masato. >>Masato Yamanishi: Again, this is Masato, but this is a comment as an employee of APNIC members. It means I am changing the topic. I heard that some organizations become APNIC members, got IPv4 addresses and stopped paying while they are still announcing that prefix to the global Internet. So I also heard that a Hostmaster is trying to track down them. If it is true, I would like to know how many organizations are doing that. You don't need to answer in this meeting, but please investigate with this situation. >>Paul Wilson: I don't have an immediate answer for that. I understand why you are concerned. But I don't know if there are any APNIC staff who could comment on that, otherwise, if not, we certainly will come back to you 60 about it, Masato. >>Guangliang Pan: Guangliang, from APNIC. I'm not really sure what your question was and what you're actually pointing to. Is someone still using the resource without paying APNIC? Is that the case and where did you hear that? If the member don't pay APNIC, we normally will terminate the membership and take the resource back, and also advise the upstream to stop allowing that resource. We don't allow people to keep using APNIC resource without paying. But for historical, it's different. Historical resource they can continue to use, but for the normal regular resource, we always reclaim it and ask the upstream to stop the allowance. >>Masato Yamanishi: Again, this is Masato. I'm raising the issue about the newly got addresses. As Guangliang explained, actually the company was upstream in one such case, so that's why I am aware of this issue. >>Guangliang Pan: It's interesting, it's a new company; right? Do you know which company? >>Masato Yamanishi: No, I don't know. I have no idea. >>Guangliang Pan: Okay. Because we have no evidence. We never heard any company can just get a new allocation from APNIC and then without paying a membership. If you know anyone, bring it up. If we know which company we 61 can check it out. >>Tony Smith: I have a comment from Aftab on Masato's question: "It is easy to find out through the CIDR report the bogus advertisements and who is still advertising it. APNIC can only delist them from the APNIC database, it can't perform policing." >>Maemura Akinori: All right. Maybe it's coming to the end of the time. I will close off my session, going to the vote of thanks, Paul Wilson. >>Paul Wilson: Thank you, Akinori, thanks everyone. We have come to the end of the AMM and the end of the APNIC 40 Conference, for now. So there are quite a few people to thank, as usual. APJII, the National Internet Registry for Indonesia, has been the host for this event, and I think they have done a really outstanding job. We have got a lot to be grateful to APJII for, for previous support of APNIC events and of APNIC itself for a lot of great work in Indonesia and some other pretty significant activities in helping to develop the Internet over quite a few years. So I really think APJII has done a great job yet again this time and I really would ask you to join me in saying thanks to APJII for the support. APPLAUSE 62 We have a lot of sponsors for this event. I'm going to ask everyone to come up at the end of this brief presentation, because we have a few mementoes to present to you and hopefully some photos and a big round of applause then. Again, the number of people who have come to help this meeting, to make it a success, with rewards that are really not as tangible as they might expect in a big commercial expo. This is a community event and the people who come to support this are supporting something that's absolutely a community that's in the mutual benefit of everyone here, not just in a commercial sense. It really is a very important and hugely appreciated part of this meeting. As I say, we will invite them up. Let's give them collectively a round of applause. APPLAUSE I would like to say thanks to those who have really put some effort into specific sessions this week, Masato, for work over quite a long time now, hard work, and dedicated work, thanks to you, Masato. Thanks to Sumon for volunteering to follow in Masato's footsteps, at least as a Co-Chair for the time being. Thanks to the Chairs and Co-Chairs of the NIR SIG, 63 Toshio, Ajai and Zhen, to the new Cooperation SIG, the Chair and Co-Chair, Dr Govind and Billy Cheon. Also to those who chaired and participated in APIX and TWNIC for the IPv6 measurement BoF, to all of those who came and otherwise gave speeches and served as moderators and facilitators this week, thank you very much. APPLAUSE There are even more. Sylvia Sumarlin, who was our NRO NC Election Chair today, and Sylvia was a sponsor of the APSTAR retreat that was a separate event at the beginning of this week and also helped out very much with the Women In ICT lunch that happened yesterday. Thanks to you, Sylvia. APPLAUSE Rumy and Agustin, who helped with the NRO NC as independent scrutineers, thank you very much. The Program Committee, co-chaired by Dean Pemberton and Mike Jager, and also assisted by a large group of PC members, thanks to them. Thanks to the magic woven by Nicky and Helen in the stenocaptioning that happens here every time and goes out on the web and forms a very important part of the meeting archive. Thanks to you all. APPLAUSE To the regulars here on the stage, the APNIC EC, my 64 bosses, and your representatives, for APNIC, thank you very much for your support and your presence here. The APNIC staff who are here, I would ask you all to stand and take a round of applause, please. APPLAUSE Thank you very much. Really, a big round of applause for everyone who attended. I think, as expected, the numbers through the week dropped off a little bit, but this has been our largest stand-alone APNIC Meeting. Thanks to you all for being here, thanks to APJII for making that happen as well. Not to forgot those who participated remotely, people like Aftab, who made their presence felt, honestly, thank you very much for that remote participation as well. We know the next Conference is in New Zealand in February next year. That will be hosted by InternetNZ and it will be a great event, it's combined with NZNOG and other local events as well. I really hope you will join us. Not only there, but in the following meeting, which you heard about, APNIC 42 in Dhaka. APNIC 43 will be part of APRICOT 2017 in South East Asia at a location to be announced very soon, I think. APNIC 44, we have announced Taiwan already, but I'm very glad to announce that the location has now been 65 set. It will be in Taichung, hosted by TWNIC of course, so I would like to say thank you in advance to TWNIC for being willing to host APNIC 43 in a couple of years time. I know we will hear more from you in the next coming meetings. APNIC 45, going way out, will be somewhere in South Asia during 2018. Until we meet again, we have got a lot of URLs here for different social networks and channels which you can use to contact APNIC and maintain contact within this community. Until then, we will see you in Auckland. Let's say thanks again to all concerned. APPLAUSE >>Paul Wilson: Akinori, let's hand back to you before we have a big photo shoot with our sponsors. >>Maemura Akinori: Thank you very much, Paul. I think we will have some time for the photos after we adjourn the meeting. Before adjourning this meeting I would like to invite Sunny Chendi for the housekeeping notices, mainly for the closing dinner, I think. >>Sunny Chendi: Thanks, Akinori, I'm the first one and the last one to speak, lucky me. Thanks for visiting our members' lounge, those who have visited our members' lounge and made inquiries 66 about APNIC, what we do, we really appreciate that for visiting and also having a bit of fun, taking photos there. We do have the photos, if you want to collect yours at the members services lounge. We found an iPad mini in the ballroom 3, it is still with us. If you lost your iPad mini, approach our registration desk outside and identify yourself, and maybe you need to key in to unlock the iPad and that one is yours, you can take it. We have a closing dinner tonight, open to all, at Exodus Restaurant. We have buses departing from the hotel, so be in the lobby at 6.30 pm and there will be ushers taking you to the bus. The restaurant is next to the Manhattan Hotel. If you have been shopping, it's next to the Kuningan City Mall. If you are not joining us for dinner, safe flights and be in touch with APNIC. Thank you very much. APPLAUSE >>Maemura Akinori: Finally we come to the end. Thank you very much for joining us and thank you very much, a lot of presentations, participation, encouragement, excitement, jokes, useful input and everything. See you, the next chance is in Auckland, I'm looking forward to it. Now APNIC Member Meeting is adjourned. Thank you very much. 67 APPLAUSE 68